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Joram McRory	Posted - 2005.09.09 09:22:00 - [1] I am so fed up with all the ASCN vs. NBSI vitriol & hatred. Both groups are my friends and I hate to see them. a)Making themselves look stupid b)Continue to deepen and widen the divide between themselves Here is my personal view. I can resolve being friends with both & I hope others can too. I speak from a relatively rare position as having been an active member of both E-R and now ACSN. In the dark old days at the end of the Xetic Alliance I was a member of a small & dieing Xetic corp (DelÆArmgo) and seeing the way things were stacking up in the south I decided to cut my losses and Join E-R. This was mainly because a lot of old XF friends had gone to E-R but mainly so I could learn to PvP. At that time E-R we a stand alone Empire corp whoÆs only ties to XF were through the social links of ex XF members back into the Alliance. E-R was happily playing with our empire wars and having fun. But we occasionally popped down to Immensia to help out Black Lance, Maza, and the other local Corps to fight off Shinra & ATUK. This was partly because of old loyalties, but mainly for a laugh. (Incidentally I well remember the night ATUK logged off half itÆs fleet to keep things even, and our pod charge for the short ride home afterwards! Good times!) My understanding (and this is just what I was told my my leadership) of why TMPL & MAZA left the IGA was that E-R had been asked by Xetic leadership to annoy ATUK in Empire & the other two corps decided to come and help too a few days later. An XF Corp even sent E-R 1 billion ISK (more than had ever been in the corp wallet, by a considerable margin) to help prosecute this war! I cannot see how E-R (who were not XF any way), and the other two can be accused of back stabbing in this as they were only trying to help as best they could. I.e Small corps are better for small scale involvements rather than 0.0 blob wars. OK the XF leadership had asked everyone to relocate further south to concentrate forces, but I still maintain that the typical MAZA/TMPL small mobile fleet was better suited to empire engagements. Then a week later XF ended and they found that thier home had been traded for CLS/DDC's security. Wouldn't anyone be a little annoyed? So that is my defence of NBSI actions. Now on to ASCN: Xetic was doomed! This has been gone over so many times itÆs not worth debating. It was a bloated nightmare of an alliance with very little PvP backbone. The question really was how would it die. It could have gone down fighting with most of everyoneÆs personal investment in time blown to bits and hundreds of people left running to empire with nothing left to show for months in game. This would have been a noble if strategically na´ve end. Instead CLS/DDC took the bull by the horns and did a deal. This preserved what was good in XF and laid the foundation for the Alliance which built the first outpost in EVE. OK to do this they had to concede something, and naturally it was not their home regions they gave up. Is it a little much to still bear a grudge for this, 6 months later? I think so. Lets be realistic about this Much better 2 well defended regions and relative peace in the south that a long drawn out defeat and nothing left at all. In summary: Both groups are good guys. I have flown with them both and respect them both. Both groups have some forum flamers û so what, thatÆs what forums are for. As Josh said in another thread: at the end of the day it is only a game and other than having a good RP reason for wars I think we are all guilty of taking this whole thing way to seriously. NBSI û let it go, CLS/DDC did the only sensible thing at the time and have achieved a lot since then. ASCN û try to understand what it is to have your home ægiven awayÆ and be understanding of how the TMPL/MAZA guys felt. my 2p^^ Joram
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2005.09.09 09:22:00 - [2] I am so fed up with all the ASCN vs. NBSI vitriol & hatred. Both groups are my friends and I hate to see them. a)Making themselves look stupid b)Continue to deepen and widen the divide between themselves Here is my personal view. I can resolve being friends with both & I hope others can too. I speak from a relatively rare position as having been an active member of both E-R and now ACSN. In the dark old days at the end of the Xetic Alliance I was a member of a small & dieing Xetic corp (DelÆArmgo) and seeing the way things were stacking up in the south I decided to cut my losses and Join E-R. This was mainly because a lot of old XF friends had gone to E-R but mainly so I could learn to PvP. At that time E-R we a stand alone Empire corp whoÆs only ties to XF were through the social links of ex XF members back into the Alliance. E-R was happily playing with our empire wars and having fun. But we occasionally popped down to Immensia to help out Black Lance, Maza, and the other local Corps to fight off Shinra & ATUK. This was partly because of old loyalties, but mainly for a laugh. (Incidentally I well remember the night ATUK logged off half itÆs fleet to keep things even, and our pod charge for the short ride home afterwards! Good times!) My understanding (and this is just what I was told my my leadership) of why TMPL & MAZA left the IGA was that E-R had been asked by Xetic leadership to annoy ATUK in Empire & the other two corps decided to come and help too a few days later. An XF Corp even sent E-R 1 billion ISK (more than had ever been in the corp wallet, by a considerable margin) to help prosecute this war! I cannot see how E-R (who were not XF any way), and the other two can be accused of back stabbing in this as they were only trying to help as best they could. I.e Small corps are better for small scale involvements rather than 0.0 blob wars. OK the XF leadership had asked everyone to relocate further south to concentrate forces, but I still maintain that the typical MAZA/TMPL small mobile fleet was better suited to empire engagements. Then a week later XF ended and they found that thier home had been traded for CLS/DDC's security. Wouldn't anyone be a little annoyed? So that is my defence of NBSI actions. Now on to ASCN: Xetic was doomed! This has been gone over so many times itÆs not worth debating. It was a bloated nightmare of an alliance with very little PvP backbone. The question really was how would it die. It could have gone down fighting with most of everyoneÆs personal investment in time blown to bits and hundreds of people left running to empire with nothing left to show for months in game. This would have been a noble if strategically nanve end. Instead CLS/DDC took the bull by the horns and did a deal. This preserved what was good in XF and laid the foundation for the Alliance which built the first outpost in EVE. OK to do this they had to concede something, and naturally it was not their home regions they gave up. Is it a little much to still bear a grudge for this, 6 months later? I think so. Lets be realistic about this Much better 2 well defended regions and relative peace in the south that a long drawn out defeat and nothing left at all. In summary: Both groups are good guys. I have flown with them both and respect them both. Both groups have some forum flamers û so what, thatÆs what forums are for. As Josh said in another thread: at the end of the day it is only a game and other than having a good RP reason for wars I think we are all guilty of taking this whole thing way to seriously. NBSI û let it go, CLS/DDC did the only sensible thing at the time and have achieved a lot since then. ASCN û try to understand what it is to have your home ægiven awayÆ and be understanding of how the TMPL/MAZA guys felt. my 2p^^ Joram Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie My Photography site
Joram McRory	Posted - 2005.09.09 09:28:00 - [3] Will - I resolved myself that when I left E-R Joram
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2005.09.09 09:28:00 - [4] Edited by: Joram McRory on 09/09/2005 11:34:49 Will - I resolved myself to that when I left E-R Joram Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie My Photography site
Joram McRory	Posted - 2005.09.09 10:57:00 - [5] I missed out a bit of the story above: How did the hostilities start? This bit always confused me. E-R were camping somewhere (EC-?? maybe) when we saw lots of ASCN in local. We all got chatting and agreed to keep them at +10. Then in our shared chat we heard that TMPL had CLS & DDC to -10 and after a bit of chatting E-R agreed to align standings with our mates & Lunas told the DDC fleet this. 1 min later ASCN jumped in and attacked us. I got stuck on the gate & lost a Harpy. All the forum flaming started then. If only we'd agreed on a 0.0 staus as a compromise I'm sure none of this would have happend. Note - this is just fo the historical record Joram
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2005.09.09 10:57:00 - [6] I missed out a bit of the story above: How did the hostilities start? This bit always confused me. E-R were camping somewhere (EC-?? maybe) when we saw lots of ASCN in local. We all got chatting and agreed to keep them at +10. Then in our shared chat we heard that TMPL had CLS & DDC to -10 and after a bit of chatting E-R agreed to align standings with our mates & Lunas told the DDC fleet this. 1 min later ASCN jumped in and attacked us. I got stuck on the gate & lost a Harpy. All the forum flaming started then. If only we'd agreed on a 0.0 staus as a compromise I'm sure none of this would have happend. Note - this is just fo the historical record Joram Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie My Photography site
Joram McRory	Posted - 2005.09.09 11:40:00 - [7] Edited by: Joram McRory on 09/09/2005 11:43:02 Edited by: Joram McRory on 09/09/2005 11:42:15 Cartiff - Thats exactly why I loved my time in E-R ^^ An excellent attitude - this is a game lets have fun. It's just when it all get's blown out of proportion and becomes personal that makes me sad. I have no aspirations of brokering a peace between ASCN and NBSI. I just wish the apparently "real" hatred would go away Joram
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2005.09.09 11:40:00 - [8] Edited by: Joram McRory on 09/09/2005 11:43:02 Edited by: Joram McRory on 09/09/2005 11:42:15 Cartiff - Thats exactly why I loved my time in E-R ^^ An excellent attitude - this is a game lets have fun. It's just when it all get's blown out of proportion and becomes personal that makes me sad. I have no aspirations of brokering a peace between ASCN and NBSI. I just wish the apparently "real" hatred would go away Joram Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie My Photography site
Joram McRory	Posted - 2005.09.09 12:32:00 - [9] Edited by: Joram McRory on 09/09/2005 12:32:25 Rillian - yup I still have stuff in The Vale too I think the new remote repackage function might help us both here & allow the kit to be put on escrow. Joram
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2005.09.09 12:32:00 - [10] Edited by: Joram McRory on 09/09/2005 12:32:25 Rillian - yup I still have stuff in The Vale too I think the new remote repackage function might help us both here & allow the kit to be put on escrow. Joram Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie My Photography site

Joram McRory	Posted - 2005.09.09 20:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Cartiff -> I may team up with you if you go down south I bet on "primary is Cartiff, secondary is olyyy" Hey! I thought I was primary! Joram
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2005.09.09 20:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Cartiff -> I may team up with you if you go down south I bet on "primary is Cartiff, secondary is olyyy" Hey! I thought I was primary! Joram Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie My Photography site
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.05 15:40:00 - [13] omg Necro!! Shall we hav an XF reunion party? I hear VNGJ is nice at this time of year. Joram Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie My Photography site
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.05 16:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Joram McRory on 05/07/2007 15:59:59 Originally by: Nathrezim Originally by: knifee Originally by: Virtuozzo Amazing that this topic still exists .... Gaz, why did you bump this thread? Stop making fun of people Cart... its not nice :( CYVOK - the contract for the missing XETIC minerals has expired - please re-set Joram Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie My Photography site
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.05 16:37:00 - [15] Edited by: Joram McRory on 05/07/2007 16:37:57 It ws a good thread in it's day - but deserves to be quietly laid to rest now tbh. Joram My Photography site

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